How much legal trouble is Donald J. Trump really enter the walls closing in or we're about

to find out that some people are in fact above the law.

Welcome to the Bullwork Podcast, I'm Charlie Sykes.

This is the third installment of our new companion podcast, the Trump Trials, that we will

be featuring every Thursday.

We know the headlines, the federal and state prosecutors who may or may not be closing

on the former president, the civil suits, the discovery, the indictments.

But today we felt we needed to do something a little bit different.

So in addition to my regular co-host Ben Wittes, we have an emergency cameo appearance

by my colleague Tim Miller because we have to talk about the incredible shit show that

America saw on CNN last night.

So first of all, Ben, good morning, Tim, good morning.

Good morning.

Good morning, gentlemen.

I have to put on my dog hair shirt today.

Since last Friday I came on and was a little bit out, I just wanted to wait and see.

I was hopeful that it wouldn't be as much of a shit show as it was.

And I should have listened to your pessimism, Charlie, because God, that was worse than even

our worse nightmares.

Yeah, I mean, who could have possibly guessed, the giving me indicted twice in peach

coup plot, and chronically lying sexual predator, unedited, I want to have on live television,

that things might go badly.

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