Trump's War on the Enlightenment (w/ Steven Pinker) | Mona Charen Show
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🗓️ 4 May 2026
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Steven Pinker joins Mona Charen to discuss why the world is improving in ways most people don’t recognize—and why so many still believe everything is falling apart. They explore the case for Enlightenment values like reason, science, and liberal democracy, the growing backlash from both the left and MAGA world, and how media and human psychology fuel constant pessimism.
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| 0:00.0 | improvements are getting to be global. That is even less appreciated than the things that you can |
| 0:05.8 | remind yourself off that you may have taken for granted, like we've got, you know, hot and cold |
| 0:10.0 | running water. But the idea that more and more people in India and Bangladesh and Indonesia |
| 0:16.9 | and Nigeria and Ethiopia have hot and cold running water. |
| 0:23.2 | That's something that people don't even know. |
| 0:26.4 | It's not even that they were spoiled and they take it for granted. |
| 0:27.8 | They just don't even know that that's a fact. |
| 0:34.0 | Welcome to the Mona Charon Show. |
| 0:36.2 | So glad you could join me today. |
| 0:41.0 | My guest today is Stephen Pinker, who is a professor at Harvard, author of many books on very key subjects. One might even say magisterial works |
| 0:49.4 | that have been highly influential in our culture. |
| 0:54.7 | And so, Professor Pinker, thank you so much for joining me today. |
| 0:59.2 | Thank you for having me. |
| 1:00.5 | A few months ago, Marco Rubio spoke at the Munich Security Conference. |
| 1:06.6 | And his speech made me think of you. |
| 1:11.1 | He was lecturing our European allies, if they are still our allies, about our shared history and urging that we square our shoulders and express pride in our civilization. |
| 1:24.7 | He said, quote, we are bound to one another by the deepest bonds that nations |
| 1:29.3 | could share, forged by centuries of shared history. And he went on, he talked a lot about God, |
| 1:34.9 | and he talked a lot about the vaulted ceilings of the Sistine Chapel and the spires of the |
| 1:42.0 | Great Cathedral of Cologne. He mentioned Mozart and Beethoven, |
| 1:46.6 | Michelangelo and Da Vinci. |
| 1:48.4 | Nothing wrong with those people. |
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