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System Update with Glenn Greenwald

Trump's Shifting Immigration and H-1B Policies: With Journalist Lee Fang and Political Science Professor Ron Hira

System Update with Glenn Greenwald

Rumble

Politics, News

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 September 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Lee Fang discusses the controversies surrounding the H-1B visa program and whether the program helps workers or big business. He is joined by Prof. Ron Hira from Howard University. 

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0:00.0

Good evening. This is Lee Fong. I'm your host of System Update.

0:23.6

Glenn is out this week and I'm filling in. For the last 10 years, the politics of immigration

0:28.6

have become more extreme and more predictable. The left wave signs claiming refugees welcome here,

0:35.6

while the right rejoices over Trump's promises to lead the greatest

0:39.6

deportation in American history. What is all too often left out of the conversation is the root

0:45.6

cause that brings millions of people into this country. The biggest factor left unsaid on cable news

0:51.8

and in our mainstream political discourse is economics.

0:56.3

Big business interests push our politicians to allow a flood of immigration into this country

1:01.6

as an attempt to bring down wages and find more vulnerable workers or less likely to agitate

1:07.1

for unions or better work conditions.

1:10.0

I don't mean to say that business interests

1:12.4

are the only concern or only factor involved in this debate. For the left, there are genuine

1:19.2

and persuasive arguments that some immigrants are fleeing intolerable situations in their home

1:25.8

countries, war, devastation, discrimination, and violence,

1:30.8

and there are many genuine asylum seekers coming to this country. The right, meanwhile,

1:37.4

will point out that immigrants strain welfare budgets and at times threaten social cohesion.

1:45.0

Republicans are quick to point this out and they have a point.

1:48.0

Meanwhile, many conservatives forget that the U.S. is a nation of immigrants

1:53.0

and those claiming to be, quote, heritage Americans have ancestors who were treated poorly by nativists of the past. We forget that many of the Irish,

2:02.6

Polish, German, Portuguese, and Italian waves of mass migration in the 19th century were met

2:09.2

with lynch mobs and xenophobic violence, often from bigots who claim that Catholic or non-Anglo

2:15.3

immigrants were incompatible with the American identity.

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