Hey folks, Ellie Honig here. On this week's episode of Cafe Insider, I'm joined by Lee Bollinger,

former president of Columbia University and University of Michigan and legal scholar in free speech

and First Amendment law. We'll take a closer look at President-elect Donald Trump's free speech

proposals and their potential impact on social media platforms, on

universities, and on the federal government. Do these policies truly promote freedom of

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I do want to turn quickly to the topic of college campus free speech, which is obviously a loaded and fraught topic.

And I just want to speak generally.

So first of all, does the First Amendment apply on a college campus the same as it would apply anywhere

else? Does it apply in some different way in a college campus setting? It doesn't matter if

it's a public school or a private school. The First Amendment does apply to public universities.

The University of Michigan, where I was for many years, is subject to the First Amendment.

Same with Berkeley, same with the

University of North Carolina and so on. Private universities are not covered by the First Amendment.

They can do what they want. The fact is every private university, every major one, has said

we will voluntarily comply with the First Amendment. So across the country, in public and private, there is compliance with

the First Amendment. You have to distinguish then, Ellie, between the public forum that universities

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