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🗓️ 9 April 2025
⏱️ 31 minutes
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David Folkenflik occupies a unique role at NPR: He’s a journalist who writes about journalism. And that includes the very organization where he works, which is once again being threatened by conservatives in Washington.
The second Trump administration has aggressively gone after the media in its first few months. It’s kicked news organizations out of the Pentagon. It’s barred other newsrooms from access to the White House. And Trump supporters in Congress are targeting federal funding for public media.
On this week’s episode of More To The Story, Folkenflik talks to host Al Letson about this unprecedented moment for journalists, why more media outlets seem to be bending the knee to the Trump administration, and how journalism can begin to win back public trust.
Producer: Josh Sanburn | Editor: Kara McGuirk-Allison | Theme music: Fernando Arruda and Jim Briggs | Digital producer: Nikki Frick | Interim executive producers: Brett Myers and Taki Telonidis | Host: Al Letson
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0:00.0 | The news that these entities produced is either resented or increasingly tuned out and turned off |
0:09.5 | by most of the hardworking Americans who are forced to pay for it. |
0:14.4 | They no longer view NPR and PBS as trusted news sources. |
0:35.2 | My sense is that they're trying to create, you know, kind of a pincor attack on the foundations of funding for public broadcasting, just as they're going after media in a variety of ways. |
0:39.0 | So there are calls on Capitol Hill from both sides of Congress to strip all funding from all of public broadcasting. |
0:44.4 | On this week's more to the story, I talk with David Fulkenflick, NPR's media correspondent, |
0:49.9 | about the challenges facing journalists covering the Trump administration |
0:53.2 | and why some media outlets are bowing to pressure from the White House. |
1:01.5 | Hey, it's Anna Salle, host of Death, Sex, and Money, the show from Slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more. |
1:09.2 | Many of us have something going on behind closed doors. |
1:12.6 | Like a listener, we called Elizabeth, who told us she's a hoarder. |
1:16.5 | I see mess beyond probably what most people think of when they think of mess. |
1:24.0 | We'll work through it all together on death, sex and money. |
1:27.2 | Listen wherever you get podcasts. |
1:29.3 | This is more to the story. |
1:41.3 | I'm Al Letton. |
1:43.3 | During his first term in office, President Donald Trump was openly hostile with the media. |
1:48.6 | Trump famously called journalist the enemy of the American people and routinely mocked them for producing what he called fake news. |
1:57.2 | But he faced a press corps that was determined and combative in covering his administration |
2:02.6 | and holding it accountable. |
2:04.6 | It was an era when the Washington Post even added a phrase to their paper, Democracy |
2:09.9 | dies in darkness. |
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