We need to repeal the Face Act. I understand it's a tall lift for the Senate, but this needs to happen.

It was an illegal law when it was passed, and it's been illegally used. We have the numbers after 30 years.

Over, I think it was 96, 97% of the cases, 205 arrests out of 211 have been against pro-lifers,

even though the law ostensibly is supposed to protect

churches and places of worship and reproductive health centers, you know, the crisis pregnancy centers.

I'm here with Paul Vaughn in the latest of our series on the pardoned pro-lifers who were convicted

under the Face Act and pardoned by President Trump. Could you tell us a little bit about what it was like to be convicted under the Face Act and pardoned by President Trump. Could you tell us a little bit about

what it was like to be convicted under the Face Act? Well, sure, it's kind of a long time coming.

We were active in the early 90s doing rescue and pro-life counseling on the streets and stuff

when the Face Act was handed down. And, you know, we thought we were obeying the rules that

they laid down 30 years ago. And all of a sudden, we find out that now we're, we're being

charged with FACE when we didn't do any of the underlying offense. So it was very surprising,

to say the least. What did they say that you did that violated FACE? Well, FACE makes it a

felony, a federal offense offense rather, to block or

intimidate or impede the entrance to an abortion clinic. And so that's what they said I did.

But of course, I didn't do those things. There were people that day of the event in March of 21

at the Carefam Clinic that sat down at the doors and intentionally blocked the door to try to interpose on behalf of the unborn.

I wasn't one of them. I was a sidewalk counselor. We talked to people coming in and out. We talked to the police officers. We prayed. We sing hymns.

Just typical sidewalk type ministry.

It was in a multi-use building, so it went on the sidewalk, it was in the hallways,

but it was still a public, you know, access building, and that's where we were.

So it's very, you know, they couldn't have got me under face, but they used a conspiracy law

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