Welcome to The Lost Debata Show for Politically Ecclectics.

I'm Ravi Gupta and today we actually had so much good content that we're putting out one episode right now where I talk to an expert on all things going on, both with this Trump case in New York, but also we go into the Trump pardon power and the presidential pardon power and why it matters.

But then we also talk about this case, the Crumblies in Michigan and why, although everybody seems to be cheering on this group of parents who are sent to jail because their kid perpetrated a mass shooting, that they're actually major issues with what happened in that case that we're

going to unearth. And it's one of those issues that we like because it's, everybody seems to

agree on something and are perhaps all wrong. But there's also so much going on both when it comes

to the ceasefire in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but also all the stuff happening on

campuses and politics around that.

So we're going to do a separate episode that we're going to release tomorrow. That's Wednesday.

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But with that, let's jump in to this interview.

All right.

I'm excited to welcome on Kimberly Whaley, who's a professor at the University of Baltimore

School of Law. She's a legal contributor at the Bork and ABC. She's the author of How to Think Like a

Lawyer and Why, a common sense guide to everyday dilemmas and what you need to know about voting

and why. And her newest book, Pardon Power, How the Pardon System Works and Why Will Be Released in September.

Kim, I imagine the timing there was intentional.

Are you expecting some pardons to come down the line in the next year?

Well, a lot of it depends on who wins in November or who manages to make it into the White House, I should say, in 2025. Yeah, Donald Trump has

promised to pardon all the insurrectionists, and he's also made public that he believes the

self-pardon would be constitutional, which the Supreme Court actually discussed a bit in the

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