Building a coffee business, serving the best Americano in town is up to you. But winning back time and growing your business, leave that to sum up. Take orders and payments anywhere with the new SumUp terminal. Turn occasional customers into regulars with a free loyalty program. And with the SumUp point of sale system, you'll always know when you're running low on your best selling blends. Visit sumup.com.com. UK to learn more. Hi, Bill Crystal here.

Welcome to Bullwork on Sunday.

Very pleased to be joined today by my former colleague a long time ago and a bit

continuous friend since then, Jay Northlinger, who has just, who has left a national

view a few months ago, set up an excellent column and podcasts on Substack, onward

and upward, which I highly recommend, and is joining. I think I'm allowed to break this news,

Jay, am I, that you're joining the Renew Democracy Initiative, headed by Gary Kasparov.

I'm actually on an advisory board, which means I don't do much, but except get to come to some meetings. But it's a very impressive organization. And Jay is joining as a senior fellow and will be contributing to their podcast and publication, The Next Move. So congratulations on that, Jay. That's really great.

Thank you so much, Bill.

Very pleased. A great cause, the renewal of democracy. And you've known, Gary, over the years,

I think, because you've been so active in the helping human rights and dissident movements around the world. So I say a word about that. I'm just why that's been so important to you. It's

really striking how much time you've written about it.

You've attended so many meetings and promoted somebody of these wonderful, so impressive,

courageous dissidents and human rights activists from everywhere.

Well, I once was in a Q&A with John Miller years ago, and he said, why are you so interested in human rights?

And I said, I don't really know.

I don't know whether we can choose these things.

I grew up in what turned out to be the last stage of the Cold War.

I was very impressed by Soviet dissidents and Cuban dissidents and those in China,

Eastern Europe, elsewhere, a lot of brave South Africans.

I was just very impressed with the courage of these people and their idealism.

And that has never left me.

...