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This is the political scene, a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and guests about

politics. It's Thursday, October 3rd. I'm Dorothy Wickenden, executive editor of The New Yorker.

On Monday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was listening

in on President Trump's July 25th phone call with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky.

During the call, Trump urged Zelensky to work with his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani,

and Attorney General Bill Barr, to investigate the

supposedly improper political behavior of Joe Biden, one of Trump's foremost democratic rivals

in the 2020 election. Pompeo has been evasive when asked about the call, and this week he

accused the House of intimidation when committee

members requested five State Department officials involved in U.S.-Ukraine relations to testify

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