Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd. This is the Chuck Todd cast. Over the last few weeks, we've

seen what were President Trump's start to beat the drum about a potential 2024 campaign

done this from time to time. But we've noticed that the cadence and volume seems to have picked

up as, please stay pretty focused on the January 6th Committee. Obviously, this is not a coincidence

of time. And it got us wondering, what have we learned collectively as a press corps about

how to cover Donald Trump, especially when he starts to deploy his favorite tactic, which

is basically summed up as, stay tuned for more. After seven years with Trump the politician,

what have we figured out about how this tactic works, how to cover it without playing into

it? My fear, for instance, of the last two weeks is that we've all collectively played

into it. My guest today, our Betsy Woodruff Swan, National Corp on a Political Read-App

Testing Politics Reporter at the New York Times, two thoughtful people who I think we stress

about this, my guess is in the same way I do. We start the premise this way. It seems

pretty obvious to me that the whole reason the President has done this, the Donald Trump's

doing this willier-wony business right now, is he's desperate to change the subject

on January 6th. January 6th, we know how he is. Any of us that have covered him very closely

know that he's obsessed when he doesn't have defenders, then it's a deflection game.

What can he do? Yet the seriousness with which we've all collectively covered, oh my, well,

he might run and if he announces now, what does this mean? I'm not saying none of that

is important, but Betsy, it got me thinking that maybe we collectively haven't learned

our lessons on how to cover Donald Trump.

I think one of the problems with learning about how to cover Trump is that if you take

like a very white angle lens, his track record from insinuating he's going to do something

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