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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

Trump, Putin and the fate of Ukraine – Where next?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 August 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

After a frantic week of international diplomacy, where has the Trump-Putin summit left the prospect of an end to Russia’s war on Ukraine? Following Trump’s red carpet welcome for Putin in Alaska, European leaders scrambled to join Volodymyr Zelenskyy for further talks in Washington. With details still unclear on a host of negotiations, from land swaps to security guarantees, sanctions and even a potential meeting between Putin and Zelenskyy, what’s the state of play now? Oz Katerji is joined by Keir Giles, Russia expert at Chatham House and author, most recently of Who Will Defend Europe? - An Awakened Russia and a Sleeping Continent. • This episode of This Is Not A Drill is supported by Incogni, the service that keeps your private information safe, protects you from identity theft and keeps your data from being sold. There’s a special offer for This Is Not A Drill listeners – go to https://incogni.com/notadrill to get an exclusive 60% off your annual plan. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this: https://www.patreon.com/thisisnotadrill  Advertisers! Want to reach smart, engaged, influential people with money to spend? (Yes, they do exist). Some 3.5 MILLION people download and watch our podcasts every month – and they love our shows. Why not get YOUR brand in front of our influential listeners with podcast advertising? Contact [email protected] to find out more Written and presented by Oz Katerji. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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After an intense weekend of international diplomacy, where has the Trump-Putin summit left

1:15.6

the prospect of an end to Russia's war on Ukraine?

1:19.7

After Trump's red carpet treatment for Putin in Alaska, a who's who of alarmed European

1:26.0

leaders scrambled to join Ukrainian President Volodymy Zelensky

1:30.2

for their own meeting with Trump in Washington.

1:33.7

With details unclear on a host of negotiations and measures, from land swaps to security guarantees,

1:39.9

to sanctions and even a potential meeting between Putin and Zelensky,

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where does the Trump-led peace process leave Ukraine?

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I'm Oz Katterjee, and this is Not a Drill.

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