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Open Source with Christopher Lydon

Trump Part II

Open Source with Christopher Lydon

Christopher Lydon

Arts

4.71K Ratings

🗓️ 31 January 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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We’re picking up the pieces of our country in the age of Trump, Part II. Is the USA still here? Is it still us? Kurt Andersen. Cue Kurt Andersen, with his finger in the wind. ...

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0:00.0

I'm Christopher Leiden, and this is open source, picking up the pieces of our country in this

0:05.4

Age of Trump, part two. Is the USA still here? Is it still us? Cue Kurt Anderson with his

0:12.6

finger in the wind. I wanted you, Kurt, on a mission to track the spirit of the age, because

0:18.3

you've been a cool, creative, wide-angle eye on events since the 80s

0:23.1

when you founded Spy Magazine and then Studio 360 on public radio. And now you've written the

0:29.6

future already in fiction, forthcoming with a clue in the title. You call it The Breakup. We'll get to

0:37.3

that, but first, I want to know how you're feeling Kurt Anderson in the title. You call it the breakup. We'll get to that, but first, I want to know how you're

0:39.3

feeling Kurt Anderson in your bones, Honeybone included, at this launch of Trump 2. It depends on the

0:47.6

day and the hour of the day, and there's no predicting it. And I feel as though on the one hand, like I think many of us, I want to

0:56.5

turn down the input of enraging moments because there are so many of them. And his strategy,

1:03.8

as president, is to create them, to maintain everyone's attention as much as possible by any means necessary.

1:13.6

That's what he does.

1:14.4

And so on the one hand, I just, from my own sanity, mental health,

1:18.9

I don't wish to pay as much attention as I often have in the last eight years,

1:25.2

but I don't want to pay no attention.

1:27.3

So it's figuring out exactly

1:28.8

what to pay attention to and when to turn up the dial to eight or nine or ten or eleven.

1:36.5

Yeah, this morning, Washington Post says all federal grants are on hold as of today. We don't know

1:42.1

which ones. Yeah. Thank God I don't have any. But I wake

1:46.0

up some days in a panic. The nation of nations that Lincoln called the last best hope of

1:53.7

earth, the empire of freedom we like to think. By now an unrivaled military power on earth and still the sort of eternal adolescent among

2:03.5

nations. I mean, who are we? Well, we are that eternal adolescent. And being an adolescent in

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