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Trump moves to dismantle a ‘global mothership’ of climate research

Here & Now Anytime

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🗓️ 18 December 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

The Trump administration says it will dismantle the National Center for Atmospheric Research, a cornerstone for American climate and weather science. Katharine Hayhoe, chief scientist at the Nature Conservancy, explains what this could mean for climate research. 

Then, President Trump has softened his approach to China as the rivalry between China and the U.S. grows. Jane Perlez, former Beijing bureau chief for the New York Times, details where U.S.-China relations are headed. 

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0:20.5

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0:28.1

Critical thinking is a serious issue right now,

0:31.5

and the less science we have,

0:34.2

the more misinformation rushes in to fill the void.

0:38.6

The conservative crusade against supposedly woke science could make it harder to forecast extreme weather.

1:00.4

It's Thursday, December 18th, and this is here and now anytime from NPR and WBUR.

1:01.7

I'm Chris Bentley.

1:12.3

Today on the show, China is building up its military muscle, and the U.S. is figuring out what to do about it.

1:15.9

It's aggressively building up its nuclear weapons.

1:19.1

It's now got three functioning aircraft carriers.

1:20.9

It's got hypersonic missiles.

1:23.8

It's going gangbusters on building up its military.

1:27.4

Though I want to add, the military's got a lot of problems too with corruption.

1:35.7

China, Taiwan, Trump, Xi Jinping, and semiconductors will get to all that in about five minutes.

1:42.6

But first, one of the world's leading hubs for climate science and weather forecasting is on the chopping block.

1:44.9

The National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado is home to hundreds of meteorologists

1:50.5

and scientists studying climate and weather.

1:54.0

But the White House Office of Management and Budget Director, Russ Vote, called it,

1:58.3

quote, one of the largest sources of climate alarmism in the country,

2:02.6

and he wants to break it up. That would be a major blow to research and practical applications

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