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DignityMemorial.com. This is fresh air. I'm Terry Gross. Donald Trump has called the media enemies of the people and

threatened retribution, including jailing reporters who refuse to reveal their sources, and suggesting

NBC, CBS, and ABC should have their licenses revoked for reasons relating to their coverage of him.

Many journalists who report on him in ways he's found unfavorable have faced threats on

social media and in real life, and some have gotten doxed, which is to say their addresses

and other private information were revealed on social media.

At a campaign rally, months after a failed assassination attempt, Trump said, to shoot me, that'd have to shoot through the media. At a campaign rally, months after a failed assassination attempt, Trump said,

to shoot me, that'd have to shoot through the media, and frankly, I wouldn't mind.

We're going to talk about Trump's threats to the media, what it was like to cover him in his

first term, and the challenges journalists will likely face in his second term. My guests are Marty Barron and David Remnick.

Marty Barron was the editor-in-chief of the Washington Post from 2013 until his retirement in 2021.

Seven months after starting the job, the paper was bought by Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, and the aerospace company Blue Origin. During Banner's

tenure at the Post, the paper started printing its motto, Democracy Dies in Darkness. Barron

previously was the editor of the Boston Globe. In the movie Spotlight, a drama based on the

globe's investigation that revealed sexual abuse within the Catholic Church, Baron was portrayed by

Leif Schreiber. His memoir, Collision of Power, Trump, Bezos, and the Washington Post, was recently

published in paperback. David Remnick has been the editor of The New Yorker since 1998. Before joining

the magazine as a staff writer in 1992, he was a Washington Post reporter, including a four-year assignment as the Post-Moscow correspondent.

He won a Pulitzer Prize for his book, Lennon's Tomb, The Last Days of the Soviet Empire.

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