Hey, Bullwork fam. Welcome to the Bullwork. Thanks so much for joining us. It's my pleasure today to be

joined by Chris Newman. He is the lawyer for the family of Kilmar Abrago Garcia, the Maryland man

who the U.S. government admits was wrongly sent to El Salvador. Kilmar is a father of U.S.

citizens. He is a spouse, a U.S. citizen wife. Chris, we've known each other a long time.

When you were making trouble in the immigration advocacy space, you know, then when I joined in

and started covering immigration, I think you helped me, you know, piss off the Obama administration

and some other folks. So we've known each other a long time. And it was, I was, you know, heart off the Obama administration and some other folks. So we've known each other a long

time and it was, I was, you know, heartened to see that you were on this case and doing this work.

How do you and your day job, you know, general counsel of the National Day Labor Organizing Network,

get connected to be representing the family of Kilmore? Well, thank you so much, Adrian, for your years

of work covering and excavating the truth about immigration law and policy. And big thank you

to the Bullwark family for staying on the Kilmar-Regro Garcia matter. From the beginning,

I've been listening with interest and I'm very, very grateful to the spotlight

that you all have been showing because, you know, I mean, this case is about a lot of things,

constitutional crisis, a man wrongfully detained, sent to a black site in a foreign country,

but it's also a case fundamentally about

truth versus lies, and we're getting a lot of lies from, you know, the highest, most powerful

office in the world, and we're doing our best to swat them away like whackamol, and I know that

your website has been on the case. To your question, I was actually in New York City and turned on my computer

and read it when Nick Miroff broke the story originally. I always read Nick stuff formally.

I think he was at the Washington Post. He's now at the Atlantic. But Nick is famous for breaking

news, usually because he has controlled leaks from DHS.

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