Trump chief of staff makes disastrous miscalculation in talks with reporter
The Briefing with Jen Psaki
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🗓️ 17 December 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Today was quite a day. There is so much to talk about. Let me start with this. There is a little known tradition in Washington when ever a new administration takes office. The new president's incoming chief of staff has dinner with all the previous chiefs of staff, usually one of them hosted at their house or at a restaurant or whatever it may be. And chiefs of staff from both parties attend. And they all |
| 0:22.5 | do this so that they can offer advice to the new incoming chief of staff on how to prepare for the role. |
| 0:28.5 | It's kind of a nice tradition through multiple different administrations of both parties. |
| 0:34.6 | And when Trump won the election last year, his new chief of staff, Susie Wiles, |
| 0:39.7 | reportedly attended one of those dinners too. They each went around the table, |
| 0:44.4 | giving her tips as they normally do, for how to do the job. And when they got to |
| 0:48.6 | Trump's first chief of staff, Ryan's previous, he had just one piece of advice for Susie Wiles. Just one. He told her, quote, |
| 0:57.2 | don't talk to Whipple. If it could be any more clear than that, that is very clear. Now, |
| 1:02.7 | Whipple in this case, meant Chris Whipple, the veteran journalist who has profiled just about |
| 1:08.1 | every White House Chief of Staff in the modern era and also wrote a best-selling book |
| 1:12.4 | about White House Chiefs of Staff. I would venture to say there are a few people who know |
| 1:17.2 | more about the job of Chief of Staff than Chris Whipple. But today we learned that Susie |
| 1:22.6 | Wiles didn't listen to that advice. And by now I'm betting, you have probably heard about maybe you've read, |
| 1:28.9 | maybe you've read a couple times like I have, the jaw-dropping interview with Trump Chief of |
| 1:33.7 | Staff, Susie Wiles, that was published today in Vanity Fair by Chris Whipple. Now, in many ways, |
| 1:39.4 | that interview has given us the most insight that we've had all year into how the Trump White House operates. |
| 1:47.1 | And it goes a long way toward explaining why this administration is as dysfunctional as it |
| 1:52.2 | appears to be from the outside looking in. You know, what we all think we see, what we all |
| 1:56.4 | think is going on in there. Now, for one, Susie Wiles offers surprisingly Frank Hot takes on a number of her |
| 2:03.1 | colleagues. She says that Vice President J.D. Vance has been, quote, a conspiracy theorist for a |
| 2:08.7 | decade. She calls Trump Budget Director Russ Vogue, quote, a right-wing absolute zealot. She calls Elon Musk, |
| 2:14.9 | quote, an avowed ketamine user who sleeps in a sleeping bag in the executive |
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