Trump Border Czar Tom Homan: ‘There Will Be No Amnesty’

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

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🗓️ 13 July 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Tom Homan, Trump’s border czar, is a longtime immigration law enforcement official now tasked with helping implement the administration’s massive deportation campaign. In a wide-ranging interview with POLITICO’s Dasha Burns, Homan explains what will be done with the $170 billion recently passed by Congress to help the effort, defends the tactics of ICE agents, and has a message for those who say undocumented farmworkers should be spared. “People who say ‘don't arrest workers,’ they don't understand the whole ugly underbelly of illegal immigration the way I do,” he tells Burns. Plus, on the one year anniversary of the assassination attempt on Donald Trump in Butler, PA, journalist Salena Zito shares her first-hand account as described in her new book, “Butler: The Untold Story of the Near Assassination of Donald Trump and the Fight for America's Heartland.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello, hello, and welcome to The Conversation.
0:09.7	Every week on the show, I invite one of the most compelling power players in Washington
0:14.5	and beyond in for a chat to find out how they're navigating and shaping this incredible era of American politics.
0:22.3	And today, I'm joined by Tom Homan.
0:25.8	Homan is Trump's borders are.
0:27.9	You'll remember President Trump's biggest campaign promise was immigration enforcement, deportations,
0:34.5	locking down the border.
0:35.8	Well, Tom Homan is President Trump's go-to guy on all of that.
0:40.4	He's been touting how the border is now pretty much secure. So now the next step is that mass
0:45.6	deportation campaign. So I really wanted to dig into that because he's just gotten $170 billion
0:52.6	from Congress from that big beautiful bill to ramp up deportations. I wanted to
0:57.7	talk to him about what his next target is, which is really sanctuary cities. I wanted to talk to
1:03.2	him about those third country deportations, folks getting sent to places like El Salvador and
1:08.4	South Sudan, even though they're not from those places.
1:11.3	What happens when they get there? The protests that we're seeing in some of these cities,
1:15.4	how they're going to try to tamp down democratic resistance. And I wanted to ask him about
1:20.3	the MAGA divide on how the president is trying to thread the needle on some concerns about
1:25.8	deporting immigrants who are critical to farms and to hospitality.
1:30.4	So much to talk about.
1:31.9	Here's my interview with Tom Homan.
1:37.0	Mr. Homan, thank you so much for joining the conversation.
1:39.9	It's great to have you.
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