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Helen Thompson is with me and we're also speaking to Gary Gürstel who is not in Cambridge

where Helen and I are. He is in Boston, right Gary? Yes, where it's colder than it is here.

But less brexity I think. Most definitely less brexity. Yeah.

We've obviously over the maybe the last year been kind of building up to a moment in the Trump

presidency which let's call it, Mueller time. We don't have the Mueller report. We have the four

page summary from the attorney general but something has definitely changed and before we get on to

where we think we are in the arc of the Trump presidency, where we are now with the Mueller report

feels to me like a classic case of expectation mismanagement perhaps on the part of the Democrats

in that the bar was set so high that it now seems like almost anything. Maybe it was going to be

disappointment but this particularly is a disappointment. Do you think this was fundamentally about

expectation mismanagement or do you think actually there's something more substantive going on

here which is simply that the report when we finally see it will be a kind of exoneration?

Well, there certainly has been expectation mismanagement. I think there's shock in liberal quarters

here. Liberals are adjusting to it now the liberal mainstream press, jubilation and conservative

quarters but I think the realization is dawning that many people misread Mueller. He really is a

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