So that conversation, that makes me think back to the original post about cursor.

And it's like that environment is very hot, it's very saturated.

But you've got a team that we know works 17 hours a day seven days a week so even if

they're in trouble today like they're never going to be sitting back so yeah it's just an

interesting one like what is a good founding team look like now we don't invest in founders with

kids they don't focus enough an investor said to a, do kids make better founders or worse founders?

Let's try and be as pragmatic as possible, given the biases on this call.

I think that the other point is the ease to get good UR, UX now has also reduced your moat, where tools used to be able to create a moat,

their investment in good URUX, so that end users weren't going to switch to a cheaper tool

because it was a more painful experience from them from a user experience perspective.

Whereas now that is also being commoditized. It's cheaper to implement than it ever

has been. But it is bloody hard. Like, Vicki Forrest's opening stat to the delegates on the mission

is that in the US, only 0.5% of the startups that are seeking to raise capital, capital,

actually successfully raise. And that's in the most capitalistic economy with the greatest number of VCs and quantum of

capital to be deployed.

You're going to hate the stock and birds on this one, Don?

Yeah, I can already hear it, but I'm just going to just quickly give me a quick moment to meditate and calm myself.

Okay, all good.

Aaron, your trip has looked epic.

It is so bloody good.

My last time I came over here was with Benny Southall and we were kayaking.

And this time, it's just, it's right here on our doorstep. Like, why am I not here more often?

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