I'm Jane Kostin and this is a special bonus episode of the argument.

Last month I sat down with Trevor Knower to talk about a topic we both hate, cancel culture.

Contrary to the theme of the show, this wasn't an argument, more of a conversation.

Trevor has been hosting the daily show for six years and as comedian, he has a lot of

thoughts on how satire works, what makes political satire satisfying, and facing up to your

old, sometimes not so good and maybe very bad jokes.

We showed a clip of this interview to Times' opinion event that was just for subscribers,

which you should become if you're not one yet. That was a sample, the first quarter,

and this is the whole game. I hope you enjoyed as much as I did.

Also, I made him laugh once, so listen for that moment because I've already told my friends about it.

Trevor Knower, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you so much for having me. Pleasure to be here, Jane.

So I want to start with your own story because you had a hugely successful career in South Africa

and elsewhere before the daily show. But why were you interested in doing the daily show,

which is a very specific type of American comedy?

I don't know that I was interested in doing a specific type of American comedy. I was interested

in doing a comedy. I was always inspired by John Oliver when he first started. I remember telling him,

it was nice to see that somebody can live in a different country and bring different perspectives

to what's happening in that place. So I really loved that idea and that space.

And I think when I appreciated with John Stewart, when I came to the daily show,

he didn't make it a, you have to do our thing. He was like, no, I want to hear your thing.

What is your vibe? What is your opinion? How do you see the world? I think it was one of those

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