Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, welcome to the Nordyman Nisham, I'm your host, Rob Shooter, and it's Wednesday.

Hey, listen, normally every Wednesday. I look forward

to it as well as you, so I know it's a disappointment. Donnie joins us. Donnie's going through

some difficult, difficult stuff at the moment. So, Donnie, I know you're listening. Hello,

hello, hello, we love you, we miss you. Take as much time as you need. We are thinking about you. Okay, let's jump into the show. What time is it, my friends? It is tea time. Oh, a big story at the top of the show.

Travis Kelsey has thrown some subtle shade at Taylor's ex-Joe Orwin, however, he sidesteps any questions about Jake

Jillen Hall. So look what they made him do. Swifties are cheering for Travis for his masterful,

and he did a really good job of this, handling of a tricky situation on a podcast.

Taylor's boyfriend navigated the mention of Taylor's ex-Jake Jillenhall with finesse

while maybe throwing a little bit of subtle shade.

And another ex, Joe Aldwin, let me explain.

So on Monday's episode, the co-hosts of the podcast declared karma as one of his

favourite swift tracks, but admitted ignorance, ignorance about who the song was written about.

And Travis knows that too, but he dodged the direct question.

He said, what happened? He asked laughing, which is a brilliant way to get out of a question.

You don't want to answer. So this is so interesting. Now Travis has been asked about her ex.

She has some of the most famous exes in the world,

including, don't forget, Joe Jonas, remember when Taylor dated him? Also too, John Mayer. Ooh,

creepy, creepy, but she did date him too. So now Travis is getting asked about the boyfriends

via her song. So Taylor recorded, released a lot of tracks about her exes.

And so the way to get Travis to talk about it is to talk about the songs.

Like, my favourite song is this song or that song.

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