When you have no understanding of that we're all in sin and that we all need a savior and that we can't save ourselves,

but that Jesus has done it for us, I think that all that burden really barrels down on yourself.

And many, many doctors really struggle with guilt.

I mean, the suicide rate among physicians is twice that of the general population.

And I think that a lack of an understanding of where our hope lies and by whom we are saved,

not by ourselves, not by our own hands, but through Christ, I think

it plays a role in that despair.

Welcome to the Crossway podcast, a show where we sit down with authors each week for thoughtful

interviews about the Bible, theology, church history, and the Christian life.

I'm Matt Tully, and today I'm talking with Catherine Butler.

Catherine is a trauma and critical care surgeon who served on the faculty of Massachusetts

General Hospital and Harvard Medical School. She's written numerous times for Christianity

Today and the Gospel Coalition and as the author

of Glimmers of Grace, a doctor's reflections on faith, suffering, and the goodness of God

from Crossway.

Today, Catherine and I discuss her work as a trauma surgeon working in the ICU.

She shares what it was like to be inundated with life and death situations, day in and day out,

how she coped with the stress of the job and eventually began to see God's grace at work, even in the midst of deep pain and tragedy,

and what she saw working in a hospital at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Let's get started.

Well, Katie, thank you so much for joining me again on the Crossway podcast.

Oh, Matt, it's great to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

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