Trapped by Trauma Bonds: A Guide for Those Suffering and Those Watching from the Outside

The Virtual Couch

Tony Overbay LMFT

Education, Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Self-improvement

5 • 643 Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Have you ever watched someone you care about repeatedly return to a relationship that's clearly hurting them, despite all logic and reason? Or found yourself unable to break free from a partner who alternates between cruel indifference and intoxicating affection? Tony Overbay, LMFT, comprehensively examines all of the factors at play in hopes of shining a light on understanding and ultimately healing from one of psychology's most misunderstood phenomena: trauma bonding.Tony explains how the same mechanisms that kept B.F. Skinner's rats frantically pressing a lever for unpredictable rewards are at work in toxic relationships. He explains the biological "amygdala hijack" that literally shuts down one's ability to think rationally when anxiety strikes and why well-meaning advice like "just don't worry about it" actually makes things worse through psychological reactance.This comprehensive episode covers:The neurological science behind trauma bonding and why it creates addiction-like withdrawal symptomsHow childhood experiences shape our relationship with emotions and set us up for unhealthy patternsWhy telling someone "don't think about it" guarantees they'll think about it moreThe critical difference between guilt ("I did something bad") and shame ("I am bad")Practical ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) techniques like expansion and mindfulnessThe powerful Buddhist salt and water metaphor for managing emotional painWhy no one—not even identical twins—experiences the world exactly as you doHow to break the cycle of seeking external validation that keeps you trappedWhether you're personally experiencing a trauma bond, supporting someone who is, or simply want to understand why people stay in painful relationships, this episode provides compassionate insight and practical tools for healing. Tony's conversational style makes complex psychological concepts accessible while offering hope that with time, understanding, and the right support, you can reclaim your emotional autonomy and build healthier connections.00:00 Introduction: The Impact of 'Say Anything'01:21 Setting the Stage: Understanding Relationship Dynamics01:50 Who This Episode is For03:10 Introduction to Trauma Bonding04:03 Welcome to the Virtual Couch04:35 Engage with Us: Social Media and Upcoming Events

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0:00.0	So my favorite movies from my teenage years is Say Anything.
0:04.4	That is a film that I can find myself thinking about that often even in my work as a therapist.
0:10.3	There's an iconic scene and if you're familiar with the movie, it's not the one where
0:14.0	the main character, Lloyd Dobler, played by John Cusack, is holding his boombox trying to
0:19.8	win over his love interest. No, this is the one where
0:23.0	Lloyd walks up to a group of guys. They're hanging out by the gas and sip late on, I think,
0:28.4	a Saturday night. They're standing around. They're drinking and they're dishing out advice.
0:31.9	Like they are these relationship gurus. Lloyd, who's genuinely trying to figure out how to connect
0:36.7	with Diane Court,
0:38.3	who he cares deeply about, ask them what to do when you're trying to be honest with a woman,
0:43.7	and it still doesn't seem to be working. So these guys are full of bravado. They exude confidence,
0:49.4	and they offer this macho dismissive take about how women want a guy with a spine or how you can't give him
0:55.8	the power. So finally Lloyd cuts through all the noise and he delivers the perfect line. If you guys
1:01.8	know so much about women, how come you're here at the gas and sip on a Saturday night, completely
1:05.9	alone drinking with no women anywhere? And they respond without missing a beat. By choice, man,
1:12.4	it's choice. So that moment has always stayed with me of how people will justify even the
1:17.1	most unhealthy dynamics just to maintain the sense of control or pride. Then there's another
1:22.3	unforgettable line in that movie when Lloyd has asked what he wants to do for a career. His answer, I think, is a masterclass
1:28.5	and actually ruling out everything that he doesn't want to do without actually saying what he wants
1:32.1	to do. And I quote, I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career.
1:37.1	I don't want to sell anything bought or processed or buy anything that's been sold or processed
1:40.7	or process anything sold, bought, or processed. That's the quote that came to mind while I was
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