Transnational repression and China's "overseas police stations," with Jeremy Daum of Yale's Paul Tsai China Law Center

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Kaiser Kuo

Culture, China News, Hangzhou, Chinese, International Relations, Chongqing, Beijing, Sichuan, Currentaffairs, China, Politics, Chengdu, Shanghai, Guangzhou, China Economy, News, China Politics, Business, Film, Shenzhen

4.8 • 676 Ratings

🗓️ 20 July 2023

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

This week on Sinica, Kaiser welcomes back Jeremy Daum, senior research scholar in law and senior fellow at the Paul Tsai China Law Center. Jeremy has a well-deserved reputation as a debunker of myths and misperceptions about China. This time, he takes on the much-discussed “overseas police stations,” and examines how they are — and aren’t — related to China’s transnational repression.

01:03 – The overview of the investigation on Chinese overseas police stations

06:19 – The disparity between the press release and the actual charges against the investigated Chinese individuals

08:48 – The functions of so-called Chinese secret police stations in the U.S.

11:10 – What was wrong with the report written by Safeguard Defenders?

16:57 – What is being national in the aforementioned policies?

19:22 – Evidence of a link between physical presence with transnational repression or repatriation of criminals

26:29 – Is the media narrative regarding popular myths about China slowly changing?

30:22 – Other governments’ views on and actions towards Chinese police stations

31:38 – Tactics used on the return of alleged criminals to China

34:11 – An update on the topic of draft regulations on Generative AI

A complete transcript of this podcast is available at TheChinaProject.com.

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0:38.6	to its ingenious entrepreneurs, from the ongoing repression of Uyghurs and other Muslim peoples
0:43.4	in China's Xinjiang region to Beijing's ambitious plans to shift the Chinese economy onto a post-carbon
0:50.1	footing. It's a feast of business, political, and cultural news about a nation that is
0:55.5	reshaping the world. We cover China with neither fear nor favor. I'm Kaiser Guo, coming to you
1:01.0	from Chapel Hill, North Carolina. On Tuesday, June 20th, a federal jury convicted three
1:07.6	individuals of interstate stalking of Chinese nationals in connection with
1:12.3	China's Operation Fox Hunt and found two defendants guilty of acting or conspiring to act on
1:18.0	behalf of the PRC without prior notification of the Attorney General.
1:23.2	You might recall that in February, Mike Gallagher, the Wisconsin Republican congressman,
1:28.0	who chairs the House Select Committee on U.S. competition with the Chinese Communist Party,
1:34.9	staged a rally in front of a building which he said was part of a Chinese program of
1:40.5	transnational repression.
1:43.0	So then in April, the DOJ announced that two individuals
1:46.8	had been arrested for operating just such a police station and for destroying evidence and
1:51.9	obstructing justice in the case. Any casual news consumer, I think, could be forgiven for
1:57.9	seeing all of this as part of the same basic story, a Chinese party state
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