Thank you for listening to the Allender Center podcast.

I'm Dr. Dan Allender.

And I'm Rachel Clinton-Centen.

We're fiercely committed to providing hope and healing to a fragmented world.

And restoration for the heart.

Thank you for joining us.

Let's get this conversation started.

Rachel, every time we do this, it's really fun.

But there are certain days, certain opportunities that I can just say, I went to bed last night, just anticipating what this day would hold.

I mean, when you get a chance to be in the presence of a luminary, an iconoclast, a complex, brilliant, sweet and difficult, but deeply godly human being.

It's a good day. And of course, I'm talking about you, Rachel. Oh, sure, sure, sure. But I'm also talking about Ian Crone, and we have the privilege of being with really a remarkable human being.

So, Ian, welcome. Rachel, welcome.

Thank you, Dan. Good to be with you.

And the words fit, luminary, iconoclast, complex, brilliant, difficult, beautiful.

Yes, all the above, I'm, as you might imagine, a bouquet of contradictions.

So. Right there. Close it down, baby. Like a bouquet of contradictions. So right there. Close it down, baby.

Like a bouquet of contradictions, which, again, has a fragrance and a complexity where you just go,

let me sniff it, but I'm more likely to snort it.

So here we go.

Rachel, I think you're going to need to manage two difficult men today.

Oh, no, I'm not going to work that hard. I'm actually just going to enjoy the play. So.

If you have a direction, great. If not, look, this man has brought something of the enneagram and the

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