You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan is joined by Joel Murphy, a member of the board of trustees at the Seattle School of Theology and Psychology.

To talk about the mission of the Seattle School

and the long, hard journey of turning a dream into a reality. Dan and Joel reflect on the

importance of transformative education, and they look toward the Seattle School's next chapter

as Joel shares about leading the search for a new president.

Well, I have the pleasure today to be with a dear friend, but also my boss, Joel Murphy.

And let me explain.

Joel is a board member of the Seattle School of Theology and Psychology.

And also the chair of our presidential search committee. And actually, what we're going to eventually talk about is we need a new president, and we want to talk about who we're looking for.

And in some ways, probably not one of the most ordinary ways to try and find a president through a podcast.

But at least it gives those who are

thinking about becoming a president.

Like, who wouldn't want to be a president in our day?

And especially of a fairly wild graduate school.

So thank you, Joel, for joining this conversation.

So great to be here.

So people don't know you.

I know you.

So tell, I mean, you were a student.

You are on the board.

You are chairing this remarkable committee to locate a man or a woman that may end up being our president.

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