Hello and welcome back to the Psychlegal Pop podcast. This is a podcast where we talk about

popular culture through the lens of an attorney and a therapist. I'm the therapist, Tess Brigham.

And I'm Brooke Brigham. I'm the attorney. And today we are going to be talking about the

trad wife phenomenon.

We're going to be talking about Ballerina Farms and what else.

We're going to be talking about Tia Levings, who is a woman who is a writer, who has written about her experience, being in a high control religious group or a cult,

whatever you can call it, kind of the same thing.

She was actually featured in that movie, documentary, shiny, happy people, which we heard.

She was in a group that is basically the same group as the Duggers, same kind of philosophies.

Bill, I've forgotten his name already, Bill Goddard.

Bill Goddard, that's right, the umbrella, the umbrella.

And we see with some of these other Tradwife Instagram accounts, they talk about the umbrella there too. I was like, oh, interesting.

Yeah, I was

watching and checking out some of these

accounts. So we're just going to

you know,

we're just kind of talk about. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, let's just start with

like the definition. I mean,

Trad is short for traditional. So it's like traditional

marriage, you know, basically hearkening back to a time we thought we had evolved out of,

you know, where women, you know, women wanted the right to be able to work and make money and, you know, fulfill their destiny

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