Toxic Flow, Cancel Wars, and the Unstoppable Rise of Onchain Perps – The Chopping Block - Ep. 854

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Laura Shin

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🗓️ 20 June 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we’re joined by Hyperliquid founder Jeff Yan, the quiet powerhouse behind DeFi’s fastest-growing exchange. With 75% of onchain perp volume, no VC money, and a $1B airdrop, Hyperliquid is rewriting what crypto protocols can be. We dive into Jeff’s minimalist strategy, the cancel wars with toxic flow, and the JellyJelly controversy that sparked a feud with CZ. Plus: HIP-3 and the future of permissionless perps, SPAC-style hype vehicles taking over Wall Street, and why stablecoin regulation just triggered a 40% rally in Circle stock. Is crypto evolving—or just getting financialized to death? Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pods, Fountain, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights 🔹 Jeff’s $1B Airdrop Playbook – How Hyperliquid bootstrapped dominance with no VC, no marketing, and the most beloved founder in crypto 🔹 75% of Onchain Perps? – Hyperliquid now controls 3/4 of all perp volume across chains—Jeff explains how they did it 🔹 Cancel Wars & Toxic Flow – The inside logic behind prioritizing cancels over taker orders—and why HFTs are mad about it 🔹 CZ vs. Jeff – JellyJelly drama, transparency debates, and a subtle protocol war with Binance 🔹 HIP-3 and the Future of Markets – Perps on anything? Jeff breaks down why HIP-3 is the biggest unlock yet for Hyperliquid 🔹 “We Don’t Track KPIs” – Jeff’s radical philosophy on metrics, token price, and building products without back-propping for growth 🔹 Real Users vs. Predators – Who Jeff thinks actually matters onchain—and why some flow shouldn’t be welcome 🔹 Crypto SPAC Mania Begins – Tron, Tether, and Trump-adjacent vehicles bring public market chaos to token land 🔹 Genius Act Passes, Stocks Explode – Coinbase +20%, Circle +40%—but crypto tokens barely move: Why is Wall Street frothier than DeFi? 🔹 Are Perps the New Casino? – The crew debates why people love zero-DTE options, and if perps can replicate the lottery thrill ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️ Jeff Yan, CEO and co-founder of Hyperliquid Timestamps 00:00 Intro 02:51 Hyperliquid's Market Dominance 05:14 The Philosophy Behind Hyperliquid's Success 07:44 Challenges with Decentralized Exchanges 09:34 Metrics and Success in Hyperliquid 12:59 Addressing Market Dynamics and User Types 22:50 Competitive Pressures and System Resilience 25:28 Exploring Hyperliquid's Future and HIP 3 36:08 Complexity in Zero-Day Options 38:40 Perpetual Contracts vs. Options 41:24 The Role of User Interfaces in Trading 45:08 Crypto SPACs and Market Trends 57:21 The Genius Act and Market Reactions HostsDisclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Like, as a user, what you want is you want to either have zero money left or you want to have a lot of money.
0:05.4	That's kind of like what you care about.
0:07.0	So I feel like that payout, you're not super, you don't really care exactly that structure.
0:13.5	No, that's, here's where I think that's not correct, right?
0:15.9	Is that it's not just that you want to construct a lottery ticket because there are infinitely many ways to construct lottery tickets, right? But it's that you want a lottery ticket that corresponds to
0:23.9	this subreddit really happy at the same time that I am. Not a dividend. It's a tale of two fun.
0:29.8	Now, your losses are on someone else's balance. Generally speaking, air drops are kind of pointless
0:34.3	anyways. Unnamed trading firms who are very involved.
0:38.2	D5.E.
0:38.9	is the ultimate problem.
0:40.3	DFI protocols are the antidote to this problem.
0:44.0	Hello, everybody.
0:44.6	Welcome to the chopping block.
0:45.6	Every couple weeks, the four of us get together
0:47.0	and give the industry insider's perspective
0:48.4	on the crypto topics of the day.
0:50.3	So quick intro,
0:50.8	the first you got Tom,
0:51.5	the defy maven and master of memes.
0:53.3	Hello, everyone.
0:57.9	Next, you've got Tarun, the Gigabrain, and Grand Puba at Gauntlet.
0:58.8	Yo.
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