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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots and Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Katie Bors and I'm joined by Isabel Hardman and James Forsyfe. It is day free of conference and we have heard from the Home Secretary, among others. But to kick off the day, Boris Johnson embarked on a broadcast round. Isabel, how would you say that went for him?

I don't think he's cheered up since his broadcast interviews on Sunday.

He got very touchy.

Not necessarily about all the same things,

but he was asked similar questions about, you know, shortages and so on.

To the extent that Nick Robinson actually told him,

Prime Minister, stop and tried to get him to actually

answer the questions rather than, as James says in his blog on coffee house, just bulldoze his way

through the interview, stopping any awkward questions from being asked. So that made the interview

even tetchier. I mean, it is a difficult backdrop for him to be giving

interviews because there are a lot of things going wrong. And at party conference, you want to give

the impression that your party in government is totally on top of everything, which actually is

not Boris Johnson's policy. Part of his policy towards these supply chain problems is to say,

not our problem. This is your problem. Pay people more.

Yeah, it's curious, James. In some of the interviews Boris Johnson has been doing it,

he's been pressed on inflation in relation to this pivot the government have done,

where they're talking about how job shortages mean higher wages. A crisis could actually become

quite a good thing. And Boris Johnson

is playing down inflation, suggesting there's often talk of this and he doesn't see as a serious threat.

Is that the correct reading? I think that was the biggest hostage to fortune. I've heard

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