Hey guys, welcome to a rehash show, a bonus show.

And kind of I took an old audio that I did.

I'll just throw some pictures up there and put this on YouTube because I think it's interesting.

And I don't know, for the real mafia aficionado, a student of the mafia and investigating the mafia,

why this is a now retired agent, Bill Owsley, who retired from the Ken City office, was my friend

for a long time, still is. I still seem quite often. And I ask him to tell about the formation

of the top hoodlum squad, the early efforts by the FBI to investigate the mafia.

You know, on November the 14th, 1957, I believe it was.

I know somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.

The Sergeant Edgar Cresswell, New York State Police Officer, rated the mob enclave or meeting at Joseph Barbera's home in upstate New York, became famous as the Appalachian meeting.

They indicted everybody they could identify,

and they had all the mob bosses from all over the United States

were attending that meeting,

including Nick Zabella and a guy named Joe Fulardo from Kansas City.

Now, out of that,

Jedger Hoover and a lot of police departments and state patrols and anybody that investigates

crime got convinced that there was a mafia. There was a national criminal organization,

which meant that it took a national effort to have any effect on them. And on a local level, people knew that there was an organization that was

involved with politics and paid off politicians and seemed to be able to get away with

a lot in the court system systems.

And so it was like a hidden secret, a well-known, not hidden, a well-known secret in every major

city of the United States, including the FBI.

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