This is Intelligence Matters, with former acting director of the CIA, Michael Morrell.

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Your mission is ours.

The National Counterintelligence and Security Center, our role is to lead and support the

counterintelligence and security community to really integrate those functions.

But we also here to do outreach to the private sector and to the public to educate them

on counterintelligence threats and to do public warnings.

The OD and I recently released their annual threat assessment, which poses a picture of

Russia and China being the global threats against us who are by far the most capable counterintelligence

adversaries we have, but also Iran and North Korea are these regional threats with sophistication

in cyber operations against our interests.

And most people think of intelligence operations, they think of cloaked dagger and covert operations.

Can you talk a little bit about the non-traditional piece which seems to be growing in importance?

We were originally concerned with intelligence officers who worked at MSEs and MSE cover.

And now we've seen a pivot to these non-traditional collectors, which are students, researchers,

business people, people who have legitimate jobs who act as proxies or surrogates for the

intelligence service.

We have seen the Chinese and Russians recruit people inside of companies to either facilitate

cyber operations or steal information.

Or in addition, the Chinese have a number of talent acquisition programs where they are

trying to recruit talent, but also encouraging the tech technology with them or intellectual

property when they recruit those individuals.

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