Hey, welcome back to preview lines, podcast is Sarah and guys I am so excited.

Probably one of the more exciting conversations that I am happy to bring to you.

I have the authors of Too Tired to Fight,

which let's just pause for the title,

the greatest title ever that describes parenting.

Aaron and Stephen Mitchell, who are here

to talk to us today about legit, what do we do when now we're parents. We're in this

relationship. We have conflict and we have no energy to handle it. So welcome

guys. I am so ready to absorb like a sponge everything that you're going to tell us and just thank you again for doing this work but start us off with giving us a little about you how long you been married with the kid situation and what brought you to

create such a wonderful resource. Well first thanks for having us.

Yeah so much we're really excited to be here. It is really great to be here. A little bio, so we are 16 and a half years into being married, which has been really great. We have three kids 12 10 and 6. Our 12 year old is just shy of 13.

Yeah okay. And yesterday I said he's 12 and he was like I think you should just start saying he's just say the 13.

Yeah. But yeah and so we and we both have like mental health backgrounds.

Aaron has a master's in counseling psychology.

I have a PhD in medical family therapy and we thought that when we had kids, there was

going to be no one better at relationship than us.

I mean, we had all the knowledge,

we had all the, you know, even practical and professional experience.

And we had kids and it just smacked us in the face,

I think in a way we didn't know could happen.

Correct, yes.

So that 13-year-old, when he came along, we really, really did expect, we had done all

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