Zionism, always a controversial topic, but it is a topic on the front pages.

The United States And here to talk about Zionism is Dr. Thomas Ice.

And as always, when we talk, is it okay if I just call you, Tommy?

It sure is.

And we're going to talk about your new book, which is called The Case for Zionism, a very simple title, but freighted with meaning, with history, with the tales that you don't

know about and you should. And I think let's just start right there. There's a lot of ignorance

about the history of Israel. There's a lot of propaganda. And you cut right through it in your

book. Right. Zionism is simply a desire for the Jews to occupy or live in the land of

Israel. And Christian Zionism, which we argue for

in this book, is Christians who believe that. I remember a number of years ago using the

term Zionism, somebody thought I was a member of the SDS or something, you know, and, you

know, some radical term. And some Christians think that.

But the Puritans used to call it restorationism. And then, of course, when the term Zionism came

along over, you know, 115, 20 years ago, they've started using that term.

You know, there are a lot of propagandists around today telling lies, some very intelligent

lies that are hard to cut through.

Fake news.

Fake news.

That's all in the news today.

And when it comes to fake news, it's hard to top the news that comes out concerning

Israel, right?

Definitely.

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