Tom Khaled Wurdermann – Israelism, Palestinianism and the Quest for Peaceful Co-existence

CONFLICTED

Message Heard

Religion & Spirituality, History

4.7 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 93 minutes

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The Conflicted Community returns with another episode on the complex and multifaceted Israel-Palestinian conflict, focusing on the ideological dimensions that shape perceptions and identities. This time, Thomas invites on Tom Khaled Werdemann, a PhD candidate at the Center for Jewish Studies at the University of Heidelberg in Germany on the perspective of Palestinian intellectuals towards Israel between 1960 and 2000. He teaches there and at a German police college, and the central focus of his research is Jewish-Arab relations and Zionism in the Arab world. In this episode they explore the historical roots of Palestinian antisemitism, the impact of European ideologies on it, and the intersection of leftist and right-wing antisemitism. Through this they delve into the complex relationship between leftist ideologies and anti-Semitism, exploring how these themes intersect and influence contemporary political discourse, highlighting the nuances of Zionism, Palestinian nationalism, and the broader implications of these ideologies as they manifest in global symbols and conflicts. Conflicted is proudly made by Message Heard, a full-stack podcast production agency which uses its extensive expertise to make its own shows such as Conflicted, shows for commissioners such as the BBC, Spotify and Al Jazeera, and powerfully effective podcasts for other companies too. If you’d like to find out how we can help get your organisation’s message heard, visit messageheard.com or drop an email to [email protected]! Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MHconflicted And Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MHconflicted Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:55.7	Welcome back, dearest listeners of the conflicted community.
1:00.0	I'm Thomas Small, and I'm back here with you for another interview, continuing to explore
1:06.0	the explosively complex Israel-Palestinian conflict.
1:10.3	And to do so this time, I'm really excited to introduce you to an academic in Germany, half German, half Syrian, whose scholarship on the Middle East really gets to the root of the ideological contentiousness, which characterizes this intractable conflict, and which is often underappreciated.
1:30.4	He's a PhD candidate at the Center for Jewish Studies at the University of Heidelberg in Germany,
1:36.6	on the topic of the perspective of Palestinian intellectuals towards Israel between 1960 and 2000.
1:43.7	He teaches there, and at a German police college.
1:47.2	The central focus of his research is Jewish-Arab relations and Zionism in the Arab world,
1:53.5	both of which we'll be getting into today.
1:56.3	So, conflicted community, please welcome Tom Khalid Verdemann.
2:03.2	Tom, so nice to have you on the show.
2:05.0	Thank you for inviting me, Thomas.
2:10.2	You're very welcome. I mean, it's our pleasure. I'm proud to say, Tom, that you are a dear listener.
2:20.1	You like the show. Actually, yes, I love the show. I've been listening for it for about one and a half years. I got up on all the old episodes. I'm listening to the new episodes as they appear. And actually, I got the message from
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