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Matter of Opinion

Tom Friedman: Trump Is a ‘Small Man in a Big Time’

Matter of Opinion

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Ross Douthat, News, New York Times, Journalism

4.27.2K Ratings

🗓️ 22 March 2025

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

President Trump has been operating with complete impunity and disregard for American institutions. In this episode of “The Opinions,” the Times Opinion deputy editor Patrick Healy and the columnist Thomas L. Friedman discuss the repercussions of such behavior on America’s national and international policy. This episode originally aired in "The Opinions" feed on Mar. 20.

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0:00.0

Hey, listeners, it's Ross.

0:03.3

I'm back to share another conversation from my colleagues Patrick Healy and Tom Friedman.

0:09.1

Patrick has been talking to different columnists every week about the ways in which President Trump is wielding power in his first 100 days in office.

0:17.7

This chat, with Tom, focuses on how Trump's actions are reverberating around the globe.

0:23.5

Take a listen.

0:34.7

I'm Patrick Healy, Deputy Editor of New York Times Opinion, and this is the first 100 days,

0:40.2

a weekly series examining President Trump's use of power and his drive to change America.

0:47.9

This week, I wanted to talk to my colleague, Tom Friedman, about how the world we knew is being unraveled by its most powerful

0:57.0

player, America. You have an American president slapping tariffs on our friends, giving

1:03.6

licensed to Vladimir Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu to act with impunity, and thumbing his

1:09.2

nose at America's judges and courts.

1:12.6

Tom has been the Foreign Affairs columnist at the Times for decades, and he has his finger

1:17.3

on the big problems facing our country and the world. So I wanted to get Tom's insights on how

1:23.5

Trump is trying to reshape reality through sheer force of will.

1:29.4

Tom, thanks for joining me.

1:31.6

Always a pleasure, Pat.

1:33.2

Let's start with the economy.

1:35.3

Tom, Trump is asking Americans to go along with higher groceries and cost of living temporarily,

1:42.6

he says, in exchange for a future where America will be in a

1:47.3

stronger economic position. And we just had the Treasury Secretary call this stock market

1:52.9

decline healthy, quote unquote, and say it's better to have a market correction now rather than

1:59.7

a crash later.

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