if where we're headed is trying to intentionally cultivate the full potential that people have,

you need a different frame than the assumptions that underpin traditional psychometrics.

Hello and welcome to the Psychology Podcast. Today we welcome Todd Rose to the show. Todd is the

co-founder and president of Populous, a non-profit think tank that works to find solutions to

redistribute opportunity so all people have the chance to live fulfilling lives in a thriving society.

Prior to Populous he was a faculty member at Harvard University where he founded the laboratory

for the Science of Individuality and directed the Mind Brain and Education program. Todd is the

best-selling author of Dark Horse in the end of average and his most recent book is called Collective

Illusions. What you're about to hear today is part one of a two-part series. Todd and I had so much

to talk about that we had to split it up into two parts. Today you'll hear our common interests

in redefining intelligence and the amazing amazingly important work Todd has done along those lines.

Todd has argued that we really need to move away from these traditional metrics of measuring

intelligence and valuing general cognitive ability and what he refers to is jagged profiles which

all of us have you know all of us have amazing areas of strengths and amazing areas of weaknesses

or profound areas of weaknesses so I really like Todd's model of looking at intelligence because

it really does emphasize the point that there's no such thing as average so that further ado

I'll bring you Todd Rose. Hey Todd it's so great to have you on the psychology podcast today.

Hey thanks for having me Scott. I wanted to talk to you for for quite some time now and

on this podcast I love your work you know we're obviously going to talk about your new work but

can I just start a second and go back to your your original work and the experiences you had in

education because I know we really bond over that and when you might kind of talking a little bit

about how you felt because as a student you okay talking about this or you kind of you move

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