Welcome to Hard Talk on the BBC World Service with me, Zainab Bedawi.

Russia has launched its most deadly attack on Western Ukraine so far.

It has struck a military base just 15 kilometres from the Polish border.

This is being seen as a warning to NATO that in supplying weapons to Ukraine through Poland,

it risks an escalation of the war.

My guest is the senior British Conservative MP Tobias Elwood.

He's chair of the House of Commons Defence Select Committee and is a former soldier.

He believes that NATO and the West need to change radically their stance on the Ukraine war.

Does he have a clear strategy to stand up to Putin

and save lives? Tobias Elwood, welcome to Hard Talk.

Nice to you.

You believe that the West should be doing more to help Ukraine militarily. What exactly do you want?

Do you have a blueprint? I don't have a blueprint, but I do believe that we need to change an attitude, a change of direction, a recognition that we have entered a new era of

insecurity. I think the West has been taken aback by the aggression, by the scale of anger that

we're seeing from Russia, a determination of Russia to redraw the map of Eastern Europe and potentially beyond.

And we're not quite sure how to respond yet. We've done well on the sanctions side,

but militarily, NATO is the most potent military alliance in the world. But we're still not quite

sure how to utilise that, how to stand up to Putin's aggression. You've got some ideas,

a no-fly zone, for instance.

You know that there are regular objections to this. NATO chief, Yen Stoltenberg, says the only way to implement a no-fly zone is to send NATO fighter planes into Ukrainian airspace and then impose that

no-fly zone by shooting down Russian planes.

The US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken says, and that could lead to a fully fledged war in Europe.

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