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To Sweat Like Beyoncé

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🗓️ 5 February 2025

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

Beyoncé is one of the most well-known and appreciated Black women in music today, but to understand her work, we need to look at who came before her and what those women contributed to the story of Black women on stage. In this special guest episode, curator Krystal Klingenberg introduces a new season of Collected, a podcast from the Smithsonian’s National Museum of American History, all about Black women in music. 

Guests:

Daphne A. Brooks, PhD., is professor of African American Studies and Music at Yale University. Dr. Brooks most recent books is Liner Notes for the Revolution: The Intellectual Life of Black Feminist Sound (Harvard University, February 2021). https://afamstudies.yale.edu/people/daphne-brooks  

Margo Jefferson is a Pulitzer Prize-winning critic, and a 2022 recipient of the Windham-Campbell Prize for Nonfiction. Her most recent book is Constructing a Nervous System: a memoir (2022). She is a professor of Professor of Professional Practice at Columbia University. https://arts.columbia.edu/profiles/margo-jefferson  

Crystal M.  Moten, Ph.D., is a historian who specializes in twentieth century African American Women’s History. In 2023 she published Continually Working: Black Women, Community Intellectualism, and Economic Justice in Postwar Milwaukee. Dr. Moten is the Curator of Collections and Exhibitions at the Obama Presidential Center Museum in Chicago, Illinois and was previously curator at Smithsonian’s National Museum of American History https://www.crystalmoten.com

Dwandalyn R. Reece, Ph.D. is curator of Music and Performing Arts at the Smithsonian Institution’s National Museum of African American History and Culture. Dr. Reece curated the museum’s permanent exhibition, Musical Crossroads, for which she received the Secretary’s Research Prize in 2017. https://music.si.edu/dr-dwandalyn-reece

Fath Davis Ruffins was a Curator of African American History at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of American History (NMAH). She began working at the museum in 1981, and between 1988 and 2005, she was the head of the Collection of Advertising History at the NMAH Archives Center. Ruffins was the original project director of Many Voices, One Nation, an exhibition that opened at NMAH in June 2017.  She was leading a museum project on the history and culture of the Low Country region of the Carolinas, Georgia, and Florida. https://profiles.si.edu/display/nruffinsf1102006  

Craig Seymour is a writer, photographer, and critic who has written about music, particularly Black music for over two decades.  His most recent book is Luther: The Life and Longing of Luther Vandross (HarperCollins, 2004).   https://randbeing.com/

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0:00.0

Hey there, Siderables, Lizzie here. We've got a special episode for you today. We're listening in on a

0:05.9

podcast from our friends over at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History called Collected.

0:12.0

Collected is a project of the museum's African American curatorial collective, and it's an

0:17.2

opportunity for us to tell stories out of black history.

0:22.0

That's Crystal Klingenberg.

0:25.9

She's a curator of music at the museum and host and creator of the show,

0:29.0

which is just launching its second season.

0:32.7

So our first season was about the history of contemporary black feminism.

0:36.3

This season, we're talking about black women in music.

0:43.8

Crystal's a musicologist, so she thinks about music all the time.

0:47.4

But she says, historically, we're in a special moment right now.

0:52.8

It's kind of an unprecedented time where we see particularly black female artists in such a diversity of genres and levels of prominence.

0:58.1

Black female musicians are breaking out of niche genres into the mainstream and all sorts of

1:03.8

other new territories. Like look at Beyonce's latest album, Cowboy Carter, which led the Grammy

1:09.8

nominations for Best Country Album, Best Americana

1:13.2

Performance, Best Pop Duo Group Performance, and Best Melodic Rap Performance. If that's not genre-bending,

1:21.8

I don't know what it is. But Beyonce's also building on a rich history of black female musicians that came before her.

1:29.2

And kind of the fundamental question that we're working with is, you know, how do you get a Beyonce?

1:33.6

And you really do need to look at these antecedents and look at the women who came before her to see how the path was trod.

1:40.9

And the series takes a look at some of the musicians who have trod that path.

1:44.7

Ella Fitzgerald, Tina Turner, Donna Summer.

1:47.6

Many of these women, you already know, but telling you more about them and giving you a sense of

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