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🗓️ 9 June 2023
⏱️ 63 minutes
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On today’s episode, Clay chats with Scott Patterson about his new book - The Chaos Kings.
The Chaos Kings tells the story of the hedge fund that achieved average annual returns of over 105% from 2008 through 2019, and how Bill Ackman had a $27 million dollar bet that turned into over $2.6 billion.
IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:
00:00 - Intro.
02:35 - Who the Chaos Kings are.
05:38 - The story of Nassim Taleb and Mark Spitznagel setting up a hedge fund that delivered average returns of 105% annually.
06:12 - How these hedge funds profit tremendously during times of calamity.
16:14 - What led Nassim Taleb to get interested in the markets.
24:55 - Why we should be mindful of just how uncertain the world and our global economy is today.
complexity theory - What complexity theory is.
28:51 - How investors can protect themselves from a black swan event.
45:02 - How Taleb and Spitznagel viewed the world differently than conventional wisdom.
53:12 -How predictable Black Swan events are.
57:41 - Looming Black Swans that Taleb sees in today’s world.
60:49 - What the precautionary principle is.
63:23 - Taleb and Spitznagels take on the systemic risks in the financial system today.
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0:00.0 | You're listening to TIP. |
0:03.1 | On today's episode, I'm joined by Scott Patterson. |
0:06.4 | Scott has been a reporter for more than two decades, mostly at the Wall Street Journal. |
0:10.7 | He just published a new book called The Chaos Kings, which showcases a deep dive into |
0:15.9 | the world of hedge fund managers and traders that profit tremendously during times of calamity. |
0:21.5 | For example, during the COVID crisis, Bill Ackman had a $27 million bet that turned into |
0:27.5 | over $2.6 billion. |
0:30.9 | The Chaos Kings largely highlights a hedge fund run by Mark Spitz-Negel in the same teleb. |
0:36.2 | These two have profited tremendously from calamity for many decades. |
0:40.9 | Teleb saw his first big success during the 1987 Black Monday crisis, and these two joined |
0:46.2 | forces in the hedge fund industry in 1999. |
0:49.5 | In this episode we cover who the Chaos Kings are, the story of Teleb and Spitz-Negel setting |
0:54.6 | up a hedge fund that delivered average annual returns of over 105%. |
1:00.7 | Yes, you heard that right. |
1:02.4 | Average annual returns of over 105%. |
1:06.4 | How these hedge funds managed to profit tremendously during times of calamity? |
1:10.6 | What led Nesim to lead to get interested in the markets in the first place? |
1:14.3 | Why should we be mindful of just how uncertain the world is and our global economy is today? |
1:19.6 | How investors can protect themselves from a Black Swan event? |
1:23.2 | How predictable Black Swan events are for these traders? |
1:26.3 | Looming Black swans that teleb seize in today's world and so much more. |
1:31.2 | I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation with Scott, and I hope you enjoy it as well. |
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