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Tees and sees apply, Samsung.com pricing shown. Welcome to the Bow Work Podcast. We are very fortunate to be joined once again by our good friend Tim Alberta.

Staff writer at The Atlantic, a previously chief political correspondent for political author of the new book The Kingdom, the Power and the Glory, American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism.

First of all, welcome back to him.

Hey Charlie, thank you for having me, my friend. How are you?

I'm good. You know, this book, you know, when you pick it up, you know, read about, you know this book you know when you pick it up you you know read about you

know American evangelicals I think the reaction a lot of people might be okay you kind of

know this story you know we have seen this before this is a much more personal book than I was expecting. This is very, very raw. And I want to dive into this because it tells me a lot about you and you and I have had conversations over the years and frankly I had no idea.

I had no idea, you know, in some ways, how do I put this?

Who you were and where you came from?

And I think this tells the story. So you wrote, it was never

my intention to speak about American evangelicalism. Having grown up steeped in

Christianity's right-wing subculture, the son of a mega church minister, a follower of Jesus, someone who

self-identified is evangelical since childhood.

I was a reliable defender of the faith.

I rejected the caricatures of people like my parents.

I took offense at efforts to mock and

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