One of the other things I was going to ask you about is in Revelation 12, when you have Michael and his angels fighting against Satan is his angels, are they having this spiritual, like, you know, elusive, are they, or is it a real, how are they fighting?

I think it's a kinetic war using technology. Exactly. There is no reason. Listen, the first thing that we need to understand, and Michael Heiser talks a lot about

this, the first thing that we need to understand is who the communication is being delivered

to in terms of the biblical narrative.

Who is it being delivered through and delivered to? And it's an Iron Age

people. This is a people who know what swords are, who know what chariots are, who know what

arrows are. These people do not know about internal combustion or these people do not know about jet fuel and and propulsion and they don't

know about aerodynamics. These people have no idea about the the universe really around them.

They have an iron age understanding of the world. And so everything is, everything is described in that context

so that they can understand it. If it were not described in that context, then they would have

never understood anything that was being told to them. Now, we can still understand, because that's in our past. We also know what swords

are. We also know what bows are. We also know what all of these things chariots are because it's in our past.

But God can't communicate to us if he's referencing things that are in our future that we don't

have any idea about. How are we supposed to understand what infinitely intelligent being is commuting to an extremely

finite being in terms of our intellectual capacity?

We have a very limited capacity to understand as it is.

So God's communication to man was framed within the ancient Near East context,

that Mesopotamian context. And so when the Bible references swords and arrows and chariots,

it's not to be taken literally when it's referencing angelic beings.

It's a communication.

In fact, I go so far as to say that even the cherubim and the seraphim and all that is a coded communication, not to be taken literally.

It is packaged information.

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