empiricism and psychological diagnoses on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast I have with me, Dr. Jen Chen. She is ACBC certified. She's taught

biblical counseling at seminaries, universities, and at various conferences. She's been featured

on biblical counseling observation videos, and recently she published a book called biblical counseling

and mental disorders. Jim was previously licensed as a clinical psychologist. counseling observation videos, and recently she published a book called Biblical Counseling

and Mental Disorders.

Jen was previously licensed as a clinical psychologist in 2002 after earning a doctorate

in clinical psychology and a master's degree in marriage and family therapy from Christian

institutions.

She was formerly trained in evidence-based practices in psychotherapy.

However, midway through her

psychologist's career, Jen ended up receiving biblical counseling, after which she returned to school

for a master's in biblical counseling. And she left a secular world of mental health to practice

biblical counseling. And Jen, today, I want to talk about this concept of empiricism. Maybe I'll give

a little bit of background that I think can be helpful as to why I even started this conversation

with you, why I thought it was maybe a helpful topic. And I thought, man, you'd be a really good

person to help us to think about this. I see a lot of confusion with this idea of empiricism or empirical thought. Definitely.

And yeah, this sort of concept of empiricism, I think it gets sort of an elevated understanding. And people

sort of equate it synonymously with something that is settled science versus empirical data that

validates some sort of theory. And so I want to make sure when people are reading information

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