TIL 520: Does the Body Keep the Score? (feat. Francine Tan)
Truth in Love
Association of Certified Biblical Counselors
4.8 • 630 Ratings
🗓️ 9 June 2025
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
1. Who is Bessel Van der kolk?
2. What is the concept of the body keeps the score?
3. What is dissasociation and how do we think about it?
4. How does Van der Kolk utilizes the concept of re-experiencing unresolved trauma?
5. How is Van der Kolk impacted by LeDoux and darwinsim?
6. How does Van der Kolk understand dysregulation?
7. How do we account for different responses if these things genuinely are stored in the body?
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| 0:00.0 | Does the Body keep the score on this edition of Truth and Love? |
| 0:10.9 | I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, |
| 0:16.3 | where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face. |
| 0:23.7 | Today on the podcast I have with me, Dr. Francine Tan. |
| 0:25.5 | She's a biblical counselor from Malaysia. |
| 0:28.7 | She's been certified with ACBC since 2021. |
| 0:34.3 | She has a BA from UCLA, her Master of Arts in Biblical Counseling from the Master's University. |
| 0:38.0 | And she graduated recently with a Ph.D. in Applied Theology, which is focused in biblical counseling from Midwestern's University. And she graduated recently with a PhD in Applied Theology, |
| 0:42.5 | which is focused in biblical counseling from Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. |
| 0:47.7 | And I'm so delighted that she's here with me. She also works for ACBC. She's a member of Mission Road Bible Church in Kansas City. Francine, it's good to have you again today. We're |
| 0:52.5 | going to talk today about Bessel Vanderkult. |
| 0:55.1 | And I'm delighted that you're here. You've just written a dissertation on this topic. And |
| 0:59.2 | honestly, it was hard for us to narrow down a couple of ideas. But I think Vanderkulk is still very |
| 1:05.0 | popular. And so I want us to talk about some of the concepts that we see at the popular level from Vanderkulk. |
| 1:12.0 | And I want us to pay attention not just to his name, but to his ideas, that we still see being |
| 1:17.9 | promoted in not just secular literature, not just in integrated literature, but in several |
| 1:25.2 | who claim biblical counseling. |
| 1:29.3 | People would ask maybe, like, why are you guys so hot and bothered? Why are you concerned about this? I think that's a good question for us to |
| 1:33.7 | consider. We want to address some of those as to why it is that we're concerned. So talk a little bit |
| 1:39.2 | about Vander Kolk, his ideas of the body keeping the score and get us set up for how we see his |
| 1:46.8 | influence in many different directions. So just introduce us to who he is and the concept of the |
| 1:52.2 | body keeps the score. Sure. So Van der Kolk, he has been researching on trauma as it pertains to |
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