Biblical counseling and mental disorder diagnosis, part two, on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people

face.

As promised, this week, we are bringing back Dr. Jen Chen.

She's ACBC certified and she's taught on biblical counseling at seminaries and universities

and conferences.

She's also been featured on biblical counseling observation videos and recently published

biblical counseling and mental

disorders. Jim was previously licensed as a clinical psychologist in 2002 after earning a doctorate

in clinical psychology and a master's degree in marriage and family therapy from Christian

institutions. She was formerly trained in evidence-based practices in psychotherapy. However, midway through her

psychologist career, Jen ended up receiving biblical counseling after which she returned to school

for a master's in biblical counseling. She left the secular world of mental health practice

biblical counseling. And one of the reasons she's here today is she's become a dear friend, and she's written

this book that I'm so excited to talk to you about. This released back October 24, Biblical

counseling and mental disorders. One of the reasons I was saving it for now is the Mental Health

Awareness Month. Last week, we had an opportunity, Jen, to talk about the DSM, what it is.

So if you need to catch up on that, make sure you go back to last week and catch up what it is,

what it is not distinction between descriptions that it's providing versus most people interpret it

to be a diagnosis of some biomedical problem. But that's not what the DSM really is about. That's not

what mental disorder diagnoses are about either. But people have culturally a strong misconception.

And I think in your book, Jen, you're helpfully addressing what the DSM is, what the secular

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