Models of Lament on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

Today on the podcast, have one of my good friends, Dr. Ernie Baker.

Dr. Baker has been a professor of biblical counseling at the Master's University for 17 years.

Currently, he's the chair of their online bachelor's degree program.

He also serves in pastoral ministry,

which he has done for over 40 years, specifically right now. He's the pastor of counseling

and discipleship at First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida. First Baptist Church at

Jacksonville, Florida is also one of our training centers. He leads the Grace Counseling Center

as well. I'm so grateful for Dr. Baker and the conversations

that we get to have. And today we're going to talk about this issue of lamenting. Sometimes we

think about sorrow in very different ways. Sometimes we even feel guilty about sorrow that we may have.

Dr. Baker, I want you to talk to us today about from Psalm 42, from

Psalm 43, just the beauty that God gives in encouraging us to lament. So some people may ask

that very question. Can godly people lament? Can godly people have these types of emotions or

what we would consider to be bad emotions? Sometimes

we feel guilty about that. So is that possible? Thanks, Dale. I love these Psalms because they are so

real. They are raw, but they wrestle with real issues like that very question, which is can

godly people have bad emotions?

And when I teach these Psalms and when I'm using them for training counselors, I urge the counselors

to not have the mentality that if you're godly, you wouldn't suffer with depression or struggle

with depression, or if you're godly, you would not struggle with anxiety or if you're godly you would not struggle with

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