Biblically informed trauma care on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified

Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people face.

This week on the podcast, I am joined with Dr. John Babler. He's taught biblical counseling for

about 30 years and other related classes at the seminary level. He's a longtime faculty member

at Southwestern Seminary. Now he has helped to grow the program at Mid-America

Baptist Theological Seminary. I'm so excited about his work there. He's been an ACBC member

for many, many years. He serves actually on our board of trustees and one of our fellows,

and he's served in a lot of different capacities. One of the things I love about John Babler is

he's demonstrated

that biblical counseling works in places of missional extent. And he's been a fire chaplain,

and he's witnessed biblical counseling work. He's been a police chaplain. He's witnessed biblical

counseling work in those capacities in a missional evangelistic way. And it's a wonderful thing.

Dr. Babler, I'm grateful that you're here with us to talk about this really important topic of

trauma. Thank you, Dr. Johnson. It's my privilege to continue to address issues that will take

biblical counseling out of the counseling room and into the community. Amen.

First thing I want to talk about is crisis counseling.

You've written a book on this, not if, but when.

And crisis counseling is something that you've been involved in for a lot of years.

Certainly in the church, you have lots of experiences.

You tell some stories in that book, actually.

And then as I mentioned, outside in your chaplaincy roles in both

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