answers to your counseling questions on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Heath Lambert and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors,

where we seek to provide biblical solutions for the problems that people face.

We get questions into truth and love all the time, and this week I'm glad to be joined on the

podcast with the operations director of ACBC. Sean Perron. Sean, we are glad you're here to throw

some counseling questions at us and see if we can help those who are raising them.

So we're getting ready to start our spring CDTs, which are our counseling and discipleship training events, and will be in Sioux Falls, Houston, and Huntsville.

You have spoken at all kinds of counseling trains all across the country,

and these questions are related specifically to our fundamentals track.

Okay.

So we have a session in there called getting at heart issues.

Where does someone start when they have a counseling come to them, and they need to identify what's going on at their heart?

How can a counselor do that biblically?

So in Proverbs chapter 20, verse 5, it says a plan in the heart of a man is like deep water, but a man of understanding draws it out.

And so this is talking about how the heart and what the heart thinks and plans is a deep water

and a man of understanding draws it out.

So if we want to be counselors of understanding, counselors who are wise, we want to draw out

what is in the hearts of people.

There are a lot of ways to get at this. Let me focus on one text

and one way here in this conversation. In James chapter four, verses one to two, it says,

what is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures

that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have, so you commit murder. You are envious and

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