Christmas Traditions with Dr. Page Patterson on this edition of Truth and Love.

I'm Heath Lambert and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, where we seek

to provide biblical solutions for the problems that people face.

It is Christmastime, and we are thrilled to celebrate Christmas this week on the podcast

with Dr. Page Patterson, the president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.

We are glad that you're with us, Dr. Patterson, and one of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. We are glad that you're

with us, Dr. Patterson. And one of the things that we do on the podcast at Christmas time every year

is talk to folks that our listeners are familiar with and have a ministry that they understand.

And we're glad that you've joined us on the podcast this week to talk about your life and ministry.

So many people who listen to Truth and Love are going to know who you are, but fill out our

understanding a little bit.

Tell us about your ministry and place of service and how you came to be in that role.

Well, it was sort of humiliating, Dr. Lambert, because my famous statement for many, many years, was, one thing I will never be is anybody's

president of anything. And it was a deep commitment of my soul to do evangelism, and I had no interest in any of this other.

I've now been president of three institutions and once

president of Southern Babbs Convention. So it's a way that God has of correcting you, you know,

to say, well, you're actually going to do what I want you to do. And so that is how I became

President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary against my will.

And surely, surely, surely there are 50 million other people who would do a better job than I.

But my one claim to fame is I do love my students and I love to see them do well.

One question about your ministry.

And you are humble when you speak of this,

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