Let's venture into the Tiki Ryan Clark Waters a little bit here.

Nobody knows more than me.

It takes a lot.

It takes a lot to tick off Tiki.

I can't tell you where there were times during our 10 years working together where I was so worked up over whatever it was.

And he wasn't, at least in my estimation, remotely worked up enough that I would then

try to incite him to get him pissed off to match my energy.

And we're just different people.

And he's very even killed.

And he just, he's really unflappable in a lot of ways.

He doesn't fire back.

He doesn't care what people say.

It doesn't matter to him until it does.

Until somebody starts taking gratuitous shots at you for no reason.

And that's what happened with Ryan Clark.

That got personal and that got low quick.

And I know Ryan Clark played with the Giants for a moment,

so obviously he's speaking from a place of reference that I don't have

and you don't have because we weren't in the locker room.

But I also know, because I've been in the room with both men,

Brandon Jacobs and Tiki, you know, how Brandon Jacobs,

anytime he sees him, Super Bowl coming to do our show back of the day in studio,

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