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The Bunker – News without the nonsense

Thug of War – What makes Pete Hegseth tick?

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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Society & Culture, Government, News, Politics

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 21 January 2026

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Pete Hegseth is one of the most powerful people in Trump’s orbit as the self-proclaimed secretary of ‘war’.  He has a huge budget and the weight of the entire American military at his disposal. What will he do with it and why has he caused such chaos so far? Guardian US politics reporter Joseph Gedeon joins us to discuss.  www.patreon.com/bunkercast         Written and presented by Jacob Jarvis. Audio production: Simon Williams. Producer: Liam Tait. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. Music by Kenny Dickinson. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production.    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Financial and other eligibility criteria apply for HSBC Premier. Hello and welcome to The Bunker, your daily dose of news without the nonsense.

0:46.0

I'm Jacob Jarvis. As Washington flexes its geopolitical muscle from Venezuela to its renewed interest in Greenland, an unlikely figure has found himself at the top

0:55.3

of Trump's Defense Department. Pete Hegsif, once a familiar face on Fox News, is now helping

1:00.7

shape some of America's most consequential military decisions. If you strip away the TV bravado

1:06.2

and the Cultural War soundbites, what kind of power does Hegxif really hold and what does his rise reveal about

1:12.0

the Trump administration? To discuss this, I'm joined by Washington-based politics reporter for the

1:17.2

Guardian, Joseph Geddian. Joseph, welcome to the bunker. Hello, happy to be with you. Just to speak

1:23.4

about Hexif, I suppose, because he's been around before doing this job. So before he became

1:28.5

the Secretary of Defense or War, as he prefers to be called, what was your impression of him?

1:35.9

Oh, well, you know, Hexov, the interesting thing about him is when we dwell on his background,

1:43.2

you start to understand that he's an anti-establishment figure

1:49.1

who grew up very much surrounded by elite institutions and as a part of it, you know, his father

1:56.7

was a teacher, his mother was in, you know, she wasn't some culture warrior. She was a professional

2:04.9

career-oriented figure, you know, so Pete Hexeth's whole life story centers around how he's excelled

2:13.6

in elite institutions and decided for himself that if they're not really going to hand over

2:20.1

the keys to him, then maybe they shouldn't exist. With that and his past experience,

2:26.2

obviously, he was on Fox News, but before that, he is a veteran and, you know, I don't want to

2:31.1

throw shade at any veteran whatsoever. I'm certainly not one, so who am I to talk?

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